as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to being a partisan republican. but i believe it is the job of the president of the united states, particularly as commander in chief, when we're talking about the effects on defense here. i believed a year ago that the president should call people into the office and start negotiating. but having said that, i will accept blame, and i think republicans voted for it. but again, i think the president should be leading. and we should be sitting down and really ready to do whatever is necessary to prevent, in my view, a blow to national defense. >> you have been in washington for a long time, and you know, we had jordan